Transcript of portions of tape recording made 1 July 2003 at 3171 NE 81st Street, Seattle, Washington; G is Gladys (Troup) Stickler, H is Howard DeVoe.

G:[looking at photo from F. K. DeVoe's photo album of the large house on the hill in Katonah, New York] Doesn't ring a bell at all. I can remember the Thanksgiving [dinners at the] Maynes, I can remember -- I told many people that we ate three big meals -- unbelievable -- we'd have a turkey at one end of the table, and a duck maybe at the other, and then at evening we'd have potato salad, fruit salad, nuts, and then they'd nibble on candy and play --

H: We'd have the hard candy and the nuts -- we'd walk around the village --

G: I remember the walk around the village, but I don't remember what their --

H: That was not their house.

G: I don't think so.

H: I know what their house looks like -- that's some other house. Their house was on Edgemont Avenue, and it's still there. I know the house.

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H: I remember the wedding [of Rachel Troup and Walter Church]. I wonder why they didn't have it in the church.

G: Was that Aunt Rae's first or second marriage?

H: First. . . . Walter Church was the blacksmith.

G: Well, he wasn't the kind that I can see walking down the aisle of a church. . . . Aunt Rae was quite an interesting character, too.

H: I mean, we visited her when she was a hundred years old, and she kept up that spriteliness --

G: Well, she got me a job in the department store where she worked, in the dress department, and I did cashiering and altering of clothes. And boy, Aunt Rae was a hustler as a sales lady. Boy she -- and they paid them by the customer then, you know, the more money you got --

H: Commission.

G: Yeah, commission. And she was a very good competitor, believe me. I can see her just scooting around, and the women were standing there grabbing the women as they came into the store.

H: Was that Genungs?

G: That was Genungs, yeah.

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H: Well, anyway, this one according to my Mom is the Bank Street apartment house --

G: Oh, my goodness. Well, I've been there many times! Aunt Eva lived on one side, and Grandma Troup on the other, and Kenneth [DeVoe] spent most of his time with Grandma, and studied when he was going to college. That's kind of like he could go over to Grandma's and he'd need to study over there, I remember that.

H: Were they like separate apartments?

G: Oh yeah. Uncle Frank and Aunt Eva lived on the left-hand side, and Grandma Troup and Aunt Rae on the other side. I remember going up the stairs -- I always went to Grandma Troup's -- every Saturday I'd go over to Grandma Troup's -- she was my favorite Grandma. And I can remember going over and helping her clean house, you know, at least I think I helped, I don't know (laughs). But anyhow, I looked forward to spending Saturdays with Grandma Troup. And I can see Kenneth always loved the radio, and tinkering with the radio and fixing radios, and he did just about what he pleased over there, and they waited on him hand and foot. And I remember Grandma Troup made a chocolate cake, and it was reddish in color, and we always wished she'd left the recipe, because it had such a distinct flavor. And we never could figure out what happened to the recipe, or why it wasn't passed on. Grandma Troup's red chocolate cake -- oh my goodness!

H: Well, where were you living?

G: In White Plains on Paulding Street.

H: . . . Did you live there until your marriage?

G: Yes. . . . My brother and I had a double wedding and drove out here, and we've been here ever since.

H: What year was that?

G: I think about '42, something like that. . . . We were married on my mother's side in Chappaqua, New York, in Aunt Nellie's house, and then we drove right out here.

H: Who's Aunt Nellie?

G: Well, that's my mother's side of the family. . . . My mother was so proud of her name. Every time she had, you know, go to a store or something and __ say "And your name, please?" she'd say "Capitola Troup -- I was named after the book Capitola the Mapcap!"

H: What's that?

G: I don't know. I wish I knew whether there was such a book [Capitola the Madcap, by Emma D. E. N. Southworth, 1859] . . . She really got a kick out of saying that. "I was named after Capitola -- I'm Capitola the Madcap!"

H: Did Elsie marry before or after you?

G: After me.

H: And how did you both end up in the west coast?

G: Well, Myron Russell on my mother's side -- he worked at Boeing, and times were tough then, and he said come out here and the boys can get jobs at Boeing. So of course my brother and my husband worked at Boeing for years. And that's how we got out here. . . . We drove out. We each drove out in our own car. It was before the war, because we were only out here a couple of years when both the boys got called to service. My husband went to the south Pacific, and my brother went to . . . Germany. . . . We were out here when Pearl Harbor happened.