Partial transcript of audio tape: 25 or 26 December 1977 at Kenneth and Martha DeVoe's house at Heritage Village, Southbury, Connecticut

Transcribed 17 February 2004 by Howard DeVoe.

R = Rachel (Troup) Watkins
H = Howard DeVoe

R: She's not much of a talker. When she don't feel good you don't dare ask her how she is.

H: Pauline, your housekeeper.

R: Yeah. She's so good though. So clean -- her bark, she's one of those people, her bark's worse than her bite, you know.

H: She smokes, doesn't she.

R: Yeah, she smokes. Yup.

H: So do you find that objectionable?

R: No, she smokes sort of a menthol thing. It really isn't bad. I don't like to see her do it, but she tells me to get off the band wagon -- she's going to smoke no matter what.

H: I can still remember that wedding - your first wedding.

R: Walter Church.

H: Yeah. I must have been pretty young. . . . Well, when was it?

R: It's been many years ago. I can't remember the date now. We were married up in Harry Mayne's home. . . . Well you see, he had lost his wife. His wife was my first - my cousin. So, I don't have very good luck with my husbands.

H: Wait a minute. What do you mean your cousin? On which side?

R: On my mother's side.

H: I didn't know that.

R: No, you wouldn't know any of those people way back.

. . .

H: You were saying your mother died when?

R: My mother was eighty when she died. My father -- I was two years old when my father died. Cause I don't remember him at all. (pause) In my day -- in those days, eighty years old was old, too. See, everybody is living longer than they ever did.