Exhibit

Partial transcript of audio tape: December 26, 1976 at Kenneth and Martha DeVoe's house at Heritage Village, Southbury, Connecticut, while looking at Thomas F. De Voe's 1885 genealogy of the DeVoe family.

Transcribed 16/17 February 2004 by Howard DeVoe.

M = Marion DeVoe
R = Rachel (Troup) Watkins
K = Kenneth DeVoe
H = Howard DeVoe

H: . . . the house that you're living in now.

M: October of 1925.

H: Well anyway, this book . . .

M: Turn that thing off, will you?

H: Quinlan was for?

M: Frank Quinlan. The Quinlan was for -- he was named for the doctor.

H: What doctor?

M: Who was there the time of his -- he was born.

. . .

(Looking at Kenneth DeVoe's copy of the Thos. De Voe genealogy)

H: Twins, right? Quinlan and Frederick B.

M: Bertha -- Bertha Emily, I remember her; then twins, Frank Quinlan and Frederick B., and Arthur . . .

H: Who's Arthur? Oh, Uncle Arthur.

M: He lived in White Plains. . . .But he had other brothers -- where are they, I wonder? . . . Here's Ida.

H: That was Ida that used to live in White Plains.

R: She's the deaf and dumb one.

H: That's what I thought.

M: Ida Mannetta -- I never heard her name.

H: Was she born deaf and dumb?

M: No, she picked her ears they said with a pin as a baby. . . .John Herbert, Edward, William Henry -- I don't know about William Henry. Oh, Will - Uncle Bill.

K: My talking uncle.

R: You can say that again!

M: Elizabeth -- who was Elizabeth? . . .it must have been Uncle Jake's wife. . . .Who were our grandparents?

H: This was Isaac and Cordelia Oakley, his second wife.

R: Van Wart, that was her name.

H: Who is Van Wart?

K: Grogan?

R: Grogan, no, that was

K: That was Jake, yeah. Well I don't know anything about the Van Warts, they're buried in the Sleepy Hollow Cemetery.

R: They had something to do with DeVoe.

K: But there is a Dutch branch of some sort, but I don't know just who they are.

H: What's the connection of the Van Warts to DeVoes?

R: Well I'm trying to think way back . . .

K: They must be cousins or something.

R: Cousins or something. But they were all Tarrytown people.

H: I once went throught the Sleepy Hollow Cemetery, and there was a number of DeVoes on the tombstones. Some of whom are in here -- I think they're all in here.

M: I took Mom over once, and she couldn't remember where they were.

H: Well, they're all over the place.

. . .

K: There's a man over in New Milford, George Washington DeVoe, and he's a descendant of the other side, the other brother. Three hundred years ago we would have been brothers, and we say now we're kissing cousins. His wife is an expert on painting tinware. She's written a book on it, she lectures on it.

M: Does she go under her name DeVoe?

K: Yes.

. . .

H: (Who did you) say it was that changed the spelling of the name?

M: I thought Uncle Bill . . . used to be written Devoe and then he had a capital Voe, but I would say that wasn't true, according to this book, because way back here you can find it spelled where it's separated.

R: Well, what do you use, just a plain V?

M: No, I use capital D E capital V O E.

K: Uncle Fred did.

H: What did Uncle Fred do, Dad?

K: He used a small V.

. . .

H: The John Jay Homestead near Katonah - is that the one that's open to the public?

M: Yes, that belongs to the state now, free. . . . I'm trying to think . . . Kenneth's and my great grandfather, it would have been I think, was like the superintendent on that property. I don't think that he lived there -- from what Aunt Mary said, I think he lived out at the Four Corners which is just beyond there. They had a house there. I don't think they lived on the Jay property, unless maybe the property extended over there at that time. . . .This was Walpoles. . . .Well, the Jay Homestead of course has been quite well restored in the last few years. I go over occasionally for different programs they have there. I was over before Christmas, and the little schoolhouse behind the big house, they have the money to do the work but they still have not completed it. That's where the Jay children went to school. And they're doing quite a bit of work on the outside now, too, restoring it, getting it in good condition.

. . .

H: What's the person you were pointing to in the book?

M: Bertha. . . .She married a man by the name of Grogan.

H: This is Frank Quinlan's sister -- older sister.

M: Yes. And as long as she lived. . . oh no, it was a . . .

H: Yes, because there's Frank Quinlan right after her in the book.

M: '75 -- yeah, she came next. Where did they put Arthur in -- see, he was born in '77, and he should have been over in here somewheres.

H: He was born before Frank and Fred?

M: Yeah, because they were '75 it said here.

H: Well, he would have been younger. The book might be wrong of course. You think the book was wrong?

M: And I don't know . . .

H: Well anyway, where did Bertha Grogan live?

M: In New Jersey somewhere.

H: And Ida lived with her . . .

M: Until Bertha died, and then she came to live in White Plains there with my mother and father.

H: And she wasn't able to take care of herself because she couldn't hear.

M: That's it, yeah.

H: And you mean she deafened herself when she was young?

M: That's what I always understood.

H: That's tragic! And there wasn't anything they could do for her at all?

M: Well, I suppose way back then -- when was she born? -- 1863.

H: And she just never learned to talk because she couldn't . . .

M: She had sign language. I never saw her use it, but the Grogans were very good to her. They gave her a wonderful home and did everything they could for her.

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(other side of tape)

K: Highway men who held up Major Andre.

H: Now they're called patriots.

K: But there's some question about that, and they were holding him up for some purpose other than patriotism -- and then they searched him and found something in his shoe, and then they paraded him off to the military.

H: What is the connection with the DeVoe family?

K: Aunt Rae says it's the Van Warts in Tarrytown were connected in some way . . .

R: Somewhere, I don't know I've always heard the Van Warts.

K: Look up Van Warts there -- you may find it in that book. Look in the index.

. . .

H: About the Van Warts -- I guess a family tradition, that connection, probably. But it's a little obscure.

M: It would take quite a while to get this all down pat, wouldn't it? . . . Papa died in '55, and they lacked just a year, I mean a month, of having been married fifty years.

H: . . . You didn't get married until quite a bit later.

R: Oh, I was an old lady when I got married.

H: Well I was there. I remember that wedding.

M: Yeah, you were there with the confetti. (laughs)

H: It was very exciting . . .

M: In fact, you were so small you had to take a nap ahead of time, so you could be awake that night.

R: Walter Church. That was a surprise, because I went up and then these flowers began to come and all. Well, part of that tombstone up in the cemetery, I always thought I was born after my father died, but you say I was two years old.

M: Well, I think you were. I think, I don't, didn't I say that we have a picture, with you in it, and your father?

R: That cute little thing with all the curls?

M: With all the curls? That's you, yes!

H: Well Rae, where were you brought up? Where did you live . . .

R: My father died evidently when I was two years old, and there were four of us.

M: One had already died, I guess.

R: Mary had died. [Note by H. D.: it was Agnes Troup who died young.] So then I started being drifted around from pillar to post -- no wonder I'm queer -- because my mother had . . .

M: Now she's got an excuse. (laughs)

R: had all that business of bringing up all those children, you know.

H: Was this in Westchester?

R: Yeah. And when my father died, he died like in Christmas, and then my -- this is all what I've been told, you see -- and my mother's father, my grandfather, was superintendent for John Jay estate, the first judge in Westchester County. And they didn't call him superintendent, they call him superintendent now. And my mother brought all those kids up in Brooklyn, because my father used to have the estate of -- what's his name? -- store; Marion, you know, the name of the store my father worked.

M: White Brothers?

R: Pearson.

M: Oh, Pearson.

R: Pirie. Well anyway, she came up with all those kids to the farm to stay for a while to get adjusted, and my father died like before Christmas, and she was only there a week, when her mother died. And that left Grandpa Walpole.

H: I see. And you were living with Eva?

R: No.

H: Where were you living before you were married?

R: Oh, yeah, I was living with Eva before I was married.

H: That's what I thought. I remember that.

R: But in my childhood days I lived in Katonah with Doctor and Mrs. Chapman.

H: Relatives?

R: No, just -- and then I had a cousin by the name of Lil Adams and she worked with the Chapmans. You see, in olden days they never had servants, they were just part of the family. And she lived there with the Chapmans, and they sort of took a notion to me, and so I went there and lived all the time I was young.

. . .

M: How do I say it now? My cat's got three little kittens? Something you used to say? (laughs) Cat's got three little kittens, or something? You talked very funny.

R: Well then I lived with the Chapmans, for Mrs. Chapman died. And then Dr. Chapman had a niece in Boston, and her parents died, so she came and lived with Dr. Chapman, and of course that sort of blew my bubble. You see, they wanted to adopt me. Dr. Chapman had two sons, Charles Chapman, Burt, and the one, Burt Chapman, put up such an argument, he didn't want me to be adopted, so they sort of didn't adopt me - otherwise I'd be a Chapman. But, anyway, then when Mrs. Chapman died then Dr. Chapman went down to Mount Kisco to live with his son, and I came to White Plains with Eva.

H: When was that? Before I was born?

R: Oh, I guess so, yes.

H: So then you ended up by being married twice.

R: Yup. And I met -- and then Walter died, and I was living with Eva, and I missed Mr. Watkins. I had known him by coming in the store - you know I worked in Genungs for thirty years. And he and his wife used to come in, and I'd wait on her, you know. And then she belonged to the same church I did, and I knew her quite well, she's a very lovely woman. And then she died, and then I don't know, some night the telephone rang and it was Alfred Watkins and he wanted to know if he'd take me out for a ride - so we went for a ride (laughs), and he needed a home, and I needed a home, and he was very kind, and I had a good life with him. We got along beautifully.